Editor’s Note: Panelists on Washington Week With The Atlantic joined to discuss growing opposition to President Trump’s attacks on Iran and what winning a war with unclear objectives could like. Donald Trump attacked Pope Leo XIV earlier this week for his comments about the war in Iran. Panelists on Washington Week With The Atlantic joined to discuss the president’s remarks, and what they may signal about Trump’s messaging on the conflict.Pope Leo has become more vocal about his concerns over what’s happening in Iran, Michael Scherer, a staff writer at The Atlantic, explained last night. But in response to Trump’s backlash, Leo has “talked in even more aggressive terms … about how military leaders should not use religion to justify their actions,” Scherer said.“Catholic voters are a real swing group in this country,” Scherer continued—and yet, “Trump has not backed down; he says he won’t apologize.” The president, Scherer argued, is not “operating from a position of strength.”Joining the editor in chief of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, to discuss this and more: Leigh Ann Caldwell, the chief Washington correspondent at Puck; Stephen Hayes, the editor of The Dispatch; Jonathan Lemire, a staff writer at The Atlantic and a co-host of Morning Joe on MS NOW; and Scherer.Watch the full episode here.