leungchopan/ShutterstockSouth Korea’s very low birth rate and ageing population have long served as a cautionary tale for other governments worried that they’ll see similar demographic challenges. But now, for the second year running, more people in South Korea are having children, according to new preliminary data published by the ministry for data and statistics. The 6.8% rise in births in 2025 is the largest rise since 2007, and has taken the country’s total fertility rate to 0.80, up from 0.75 in 2024. The news is being cautiously celebrated, but with South Korea’s overall population still shrinking, it is yet to reverse its demographic fortunes. In this episode of The Conversation Weekly podcast, we speak to Stuart Gietel-Basten, a demographer and professor of social science and public policy at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, about how South Korea has got to this point. Part of the reason is that a generation of so-called “echo-boomers”, born in the 1990s after a relaxation of the coutry’s strict anti-natalist policies, are now starting to have children. But Gietel-Basten says many of the issues stopping people in South Korea from having children remain, despite huge sums spent by the government on tax incentives, housing benefit and childcare support. “ Unless you change underlying structural issues around gender roles, around work, culture, and so on, then even well-meaning policies are not necessarily going to have the impact that they should,” he says. Listen to the interview with Stuart Gietel-Basten on The Conversation Weekly podcast. This episode was written and produced by Gemma Ware and Katie Flood. Mixing by Eleanor Brezzi and theme music by Neeta Sarl. Gemma Ware is the executive producer.Newsclips in this episode from WION.Listen to The Conversation Weekly via any of the apps listed above, download it directly via our RSS feed or find out how else to listen here. A transcript of this episode is available via the Apple Podcasts or Spotify apps.Stuart Gietel-Basten is a also guest professor at Osaka University and an adjunct professor at Khalifa University.